为什么讨厌歧视中东人？为什么中东人聚集区一律被视为差区？

thomas128

原帖由 叶多妈妈 于 2009-4-10 08:30 发表

房子兄的脑子坏掉问题，看来是找到出处了

+1

jlhan

原帖由 zl 于 2009-4-11 11:53 发表

别这么说，以色列人两千年前就被赶出中东地区，岂非连求饶的机会都没有？你当以色列人从没干过发一些土火箭，搞些爆炸什么的勾当，不用取笑人家，无非是有多大地儿伸多长的腿罢了。

70A。D。以色列是被罗马帝国毁灭，与阿拉伯人有何关系？

以色列打仗是比阿拉伯高两个数量级，不信去查查几次中东战争的书籍。

jlhan

按说，我们不应该歧视中东移民因为我们自己也是移民。但现实给我们提出了挑战。二战以后特别是全球化以后世界各文化都迅速现代化，唯独中东（和非洲）大大落后。究其原因伊斯兰文明是重要原因。现在澳洲我们遇到的，如不诚实，年轻人结帮，不负责任多生孩子，都还是小事。如果伊斯兰狂热分子移民来了，恐怖袭击就有可能了。

澳洲大概只有1%的伊斯兰移民。英国有10%，就有多次恐怖袭击出现。

我不赞成歧视印度人，因为他们与我们的差别是可以相互了解接纳。

[ 本帖最后由 jlhan 于 2009-4-11 15:10 编辑 ]

motorhero

我还是认为他们是很和善的民族。 所以应该是团结的对象。

原帖由 JuliaBear88 于 2009-4-9 11:14 发表
很恶心 they are very proud of themself specially, when they  marry  their 表兄妹.
They feel their family  are big and close to each other.
THeir kids smart
They are big liers too.

大熊呀, 你讲的俺不懂呀?? 谁和谁表兄妹marry???

NTka

原帖由 jlhan 于 2009-4-11 14:49 发表

70A。D。以色列是被罗马帝国毁灭，与阿拉伯人有何关系？

以色列打仗是比阿拉伯高两个数量级，不信去查查几次中东战争的书籍。

这一位的垃圾言论又来了，只靠自己的力量看是以色列能打还是阿拉伯能打？
你自己都说十字军东征是为了防卫，防卫谁？还不是阿拉伯，那时候以色列现在的地盘在谁的控制当中？

几次中东战争以色列如果没有美国及其他西方国家的支持，如果不是美国的中东战略把阿拉伯国家搞得一盘散沙，以色列早就被阿拉伯灭了。

NTka

原帖由 jlhan 于 2009-4-11 15:07 发表
按说，我们不应该歧视中东移民因为我们自己也是移民。但现实给我们提出了挑战。二战以后特别是全球化以后世界各文化都迅速现代化，唯独中东（和非洲）大大落后。究其原因伊斯兰文明是重要原因。现在澳洲我们遇到的， ...

还按说，我看你就是想把伊斯兰给赶尽杀绝吧？

中东和非洲的落后居然是因为伊斯兰文明？
恰恰相反，中东和非洲的落后正是资源被这些爱不离口的基督教西方国家掠夺的后果，和伊斯兰文明有什么关系？你睁开眼看看，中东的阿拉伯国家只要和美国关系好的哪个不是富得留油？

主就是这样教你看事实的吗？哦，也对，世仇嘛。
本人对伊斯兰并不感冒，可就是看不惯有些基督徒为了不可告人的目的煽风点火，今天你可以为了这些目的煽动人们对伊斯兰敌视，明天你的头号敌人伊斯兰如你所愿被灭了后你的下一个目标是什么？

jlhan

原帖由 NTka 于 2009-4-11 16:34 发表


这一位的垃圾言论又来了，只靠自己的力量看是以色列能打还是阿拉伯能打？
你自己都说十字军东征是为了防卫，防卫谁？还不是阿拉伯，那时候以色列现在的地盘在谁的控制当中？

几次中东战争以色列如果没有美国及其他西方国家的支持，如果不是美国的中东战略把阿拉伯国家搞得一盘散沙，以色列早就被阿拉伯灭了。

你这是又胡扯八道。你应去看中东战争的史书再来发言。

NTka

原帖由 jlhan 于 2009-4-11 16:43 发表

你这是又胡扯八道。你应去看中东战争的史书再来发言。

你先去看看以色列是怎么建国的再来讨论。

jlhan

原帖由 NTka 于 2009-4-11 17:02 发表


你先去看看以色列是怎么建国的再来讨论。

It was actually quite complicated.  

Bristain was the ruler of Palestine, Iraq, etc. between WWI and WWII.  Because a promise made to the Arabs in WWII, Bristain will let all these independent.  Howevever, Palestine was a difficult issue.  Because some well known Jew made great contribution for Britain in WWII, he was able to get some promise of an Israel state.  However, the British government still was hesitate because it knew this could cause big trouble.  

Then at UN, USSR strongly supported recognition of Israel.  According to [1,2], it was the beginning of the Cold War.  USSR wanted to create trouble for Britain, which, not the US, was the leader of the West, thus the action.  Britain and US did support UN resolution on Israel.  

At the start of the Cold War, US actually wanted to be friendly to both Israel and Arabs so that it could get as much support as possible against communists.  Several reasons that US and Israel gradually become strong allies.  (1) Israel is the only democratic country.  (2) Many US former Arab allies, Iraq, Iran, falled from power or switched sides to the USSR.  

If you read materials on Israel - Arab wars, only the last war got important emergency support from US (I think was Jimmy Carter era).  Others are nothing short of miracles.  

Talk of about miracles, some claimed that Israel reestablishment and Israel-Arab wars were miracles by Almight God.  Some disagree.  But you cannot deny these were amazing historical events.   

[1] "What Went Wrong?: The Clash Between Islam and Modernity in the Middle East" by Bernard Lewis, Harper Perennial, 2003.  
[2] "The Crisis of Islam: Holy War and Unholy Terror," by Bernard Lewis, Random House Trade Paperbacks, 2004.

[ 本帖最后由 jlhan 于 2009-4-13 03:20 编辑 ]

jlhan

Only communists distort the importance of new technologies, market economies and claim that US get rich by exploitation.  

I do not hate Muslim.  Bible teaches to love everyone.  However, if you know histories you would know that Islam is the reason that Muslims are backward.  There are plenty books on these.  

You have not read Koran and know nothing about Islam.  I think that you mentioned that you are Buddist.  You know that you are on the top list to be killed according to Koran?  Koran teaches to make Jews and Christians slaves but to kill those who worship idols.

狄仁杰

原帖由 margaretyy 于 2009-4-8 00:52 发表
因为中东人素质低？
因为中东人打砸抢烧？
因为中东人皮肤黑？
因为中东人穷？
因为。。。。。。？

读书的时候有2个同学是中东人，常常接触，经常同在一个 group 讨论问题， 虽然不是多么多么优秀，但也不差， ...

我就说一句话，你肯定没吃过中东人的苦头。来日方长，你慢慢体会吧。

y12345678

老实话，我没有歧视，但是反感中东人

NTka

原帖由 jlhan 于 2009-4-11 17:31 发表
Only communists distort the importance of new technologies, market economies and claim that US get rich by exploitation.  
However, if you know histories you would know that Islam is the reason that Muslims are backward.  There are plenty books on these.

No one denies the importance of new technologies, market economies etc contributed to the wealth of US, on the contrary you and your fellow western christian countries are the ones who don't want to admit that their pillage of oil and natural resources even the black slaves is the root cause of the poverty of africa and unrest among middle east contries.

I HAVE TO SAY, YOU'RE REALLY GOOD AT SWAPPING THE CONCEPTS.

And when you talking abt the histories, check various sources before making a fair judgement, history can be written by differnt parties and serve for their own interests.

[ 本帖最后由 NTka 于 2009-4-11 18:31 编辑 ]

NTka

And by the way I am NOT buddist nor muslim.

不明白为什么非要在这儿拽英文，不过看这位jihan的发贴，怕他汉语理解能力比英文差还是用英文回帖好了。

NTka

原帖由 jlhan 于 2009-4-11 17:23 发表

Talk of about miracles, some claimed that Israel reestablishment and Israel-Arab wars were miracles by Almight God.  Some disagree.  But you cannot deny these were amazing historical events.

If you say so.

Then the indigenous ppl in north and south america, the blacks in africa even the chinese killed during the wars against the christian contries were god's will? How ALMIGHT your god is!

jlhan

Well.  A lot must blame on wrong information you get from the communists.  That is why you should read some good books on histories.  

On economic develpment, 陈志武 a Yale professor, has written a good book.  Exploitation was not mentioned as an important factor in West economic progress.  Economic exploitation was highest by Spain while US is the lowest.  Yet US is the richest.  (You cannot regard trade as exploitation.)   杨小凯 was a well known economic professor in Australia who died a few years ago.  The following article is a good one.  I encourage you to read it.  杨小凯：我认识基督教的三个过程
http://www.tecn.cn/data/detail.php?id=3519

Wars, especially colonial wars, are usually political rather than religous.  The Bible never asks its believers to go to war, defensive wars might be exempt.  I think you should read books on each topic.  Then, we can discuss.  

God loves everyone.  If you do not believe it, you still should keep an open mind.  There is no point to attack others viewpoints.  Do you not fear the wrath of God?  What if the Bible is true?  

I use English because most good, objective history books are in English and because typing English is a lot faster.

NTka

原帖由 jlhan 于 2009-4-11 19:19 发表
Well.  A lot must blame on wrong information you get from the communists.  That is why you should read some good books on histories.  

On economic develpment, 陈志武 a Yale professor, has written a ...

LOL, SORRY, I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING AFTER READING UR REPLY.

Where did you get the clue that I got the information from the communist? And how do you know that only the books you read are the good ones and the ones not supporting ur opinion are the bad ones?

The title of Yale professor doesn't justify his objectiveness, simple as it is and you can't see and I have to say you may guided by the WRONG god. Same applies to "well known economic professor".

And please don't encourage me as the things you recommended won't be any interest of me according to the words you putting in this forum.

The Bible may didn't ask u guys to go to the war while the Crusade was blessed by ur god and ur said the victory of Isreal against Arabs was due to ur Almighty god. And what makes you think the different opinions of others are because
they didn't read book? Oh I see, only the books you read are the good ones.

God loves everyone.  If you do not believe it, you still should keep an open mind. There is no point to attack others viewpoints.

Even you believe in god you still don't have the open mind and attacks others, see this post (http://www.oursteps.com.au/bbs/v ... &extra=page%3D1) how you describe the ppl don't believe in your god. This makes me doubt more on your belief or ur just a fake christian.

Do you not fear the wrath of God?  What if the Bible is true?
AND... OPPS, HERE COMES THE THREAT AGAIN.

I use English because most good, objective history books are in English and because typing English is a lot faster.
Why after you've read so many "good", "objective" history books and you still discuss the topic so subjectively?
And GOOD ON U that you typing English faster than 中文。

NTka

原帖由 jlhan 于 2009-4-11 19:19 发表
(You cannot regard trade as exploitation.)

Brits regarded opium as the goods they "TRADE" with China, what kind of "good" books have u read? I'm really sorry for the time u've wasted on reading the "good" books.

jlhan

What can I say?  I do have a Ph.D. and have studied economics, religions, and histories extensively.  You seem do not have a bachelor degree in these fields.  I do not waste my time to argue with you.

NTka

原帖由 jlhan 于 2009-4-11 20:11 发表
What can I say?  I do have a Ph.D. and have studied economics, religions, and histories extensively.  You seem do not have a bachelor degree in these fields.  I do not waste my time to argue with you.

LMAO, is a PHD title the only thing now that can help you to gain a little bit confidence on this discussion? And WOW, a FAITHFUL CHRISTIAN starts personal attacking in a fair discussion now, what a wxxker.

And I'm feeling sorry again for the university who've granted the degree to you, LOL, sorry again, rly can't stop laughing here.

NTka

原帖由 jlhan 于 2009-4-11 20:11 发表
What can I say?  I do have a Ph.D. and have studied economics, religions, and histories extensively.  You seem do not have a bachelor degree in these fields.  I do not waste my time to argue with you.

念了那么多年的书，都已经是PHD了可中文好像还是一般般，教你句中国老话吧，记得哦，圣经里没的。

“书都念到屁股里去了”。

狄仁杰

stop quarrelling please. all of us are Chinese. team work,ok?
扫除内战，一致对外。  中东人虽然名声很臭但是人家比我们团结。
几年前我刚来的时候听说6个中国男孩被一个洋鬼子打劫！你说当时这6个男的一起上的话这个洋人还能如此嚣张吗？还是心不齐。

NTka

原帖由 狄仁杰 于 2009-4-11 21:28 发表
stop quarrelling please. all of us are Chinese. team work,ok?
扫除内战，一致对外。  中东人虽然名声很臭但是人家比我们团结。
几年前我刚来的时候听说6个中国男孩被一个洋鬼子打劫！你说当时这6个男的一起上的 ...

你说得没错，可怕就怕在有的人也许并不认为自己是和Chinese一起的，可以去参看他的一些发言。

举个例子，在这贴里http://www.oursteps.com.au/bbs/v ... p;extra=&page=6 他有很经典的一句
“Without 义和团 there is no 八国联军.”

GenXer

原帖由 NTka 于 2009-4-11 21:35 发表

“Without 义和团 there is no 八国联军.”

I think it's a very good point.

NTka

原帖由 GenXer 于 2009-4-11 21:40 发表

I think it's a very good point.

Read the context of this statement in that post 1st otherwise GOOD ON U, PAL .

[ 本帖最后由 NTka 于 2009-4-11 23:14 编辑 ]

ECLF408

感觉身边的印度同事,中东同学都还好,
君子之交,淡如水.
还是自己人扎堆的好.

y12345678

我觉得义和团的所作所为实在够呛

mercurial

原帖由 ECLF408 于 2009-4-11 23:28 发表
感觉身边的印度同事,中东同学都还好,
君子之交,淡如水.
还是自己人扎堆的好.

同学关系是比较单纯的，因为你们之间没有利益关系和利害冲突。

steprego

原帖由 y12345678 于 2009-4-11 23:47 发表
我觉得义和团的所作所为实在够呛

你说的也是事实，可是我觉得说“没有义和团就不会有八国联军”这话有点。。。

八国联军该来还是会来的，只不过义和团给了他们一个绝好的借口而已。
就跟卢沟桥事变一样，迟早会发生，不能说如果中国驻军没有拒绝日军进入宛平县城搜索那名“失踪”的日军就不会有日军侵华一样，这个稍微有点头脑的话都应该是很显而易见的。