墨尔本再发印度学生遭遇种族暴力攻击 在澳印裔设立救助电话热线 - #74楼

s_x_j_z

幸好悉尼还没有大的类似事情，实际上咱们中国人也应该小心的，因为咱们在这里也是少数民族啊，记得在MQ上学的时候，有一个教授就严重歧视中国人（甚至在课堂上），学校为他还专门开了会研究留下他还是让他走，白人学生为了支持他，还专门组织了一个团体，还蛮多人支持那个老教授的观点的，所以啊，在澳洲咱们永远都是外乡人。

righttang

说实话，我对印度人还是没什么坏印象的。。。

虽然有时候嘴巴里说说，他们英文说得听不懂，味道很大，或者有些不好的习惯，但是他们给我的印象是一个友好的民族。
我从没见过他们有什么暴力举动，还会很亲切的和你谈一些事情。听不懂的话，他们也会慢慢的重复，然后很宽容的和我说一句，you are all right.

一些新来的印度人，也会很谦虚的问我这问我那，我也都挺乐意回答的。

看见他们被暴力袭击的案件，真是觉得震惊，我也呼吁那些种族歧视的白人，以发展的眼光来看问题，澳大利亚已经是一个多民族的国家了，他们要再偏激，自己的路也越走越窄。

melon

歧视因文化不同而产生.没有偏见的人是少数.印度人和我们的生活习惯差异很大,但那是他们的文化,至少他们是温和的族群,没有进攻性.不象白人那么虚伪.
我也不喜欢他们的电影,知道他们的文化不尊重女性,很多时候走在路上他们不知道让路,总是堵住路.说话夸张的人比例大.简历喜欢吹牛.,他们有的很多人合租,卫生不好.但反过来想一想他们存钱支持在印度的家庭,很努力的找工作.不会做的也说做过,但不这样可能真的很难找到工作.都是为了生存.不喜欢别人的文化可以远离,我说的比较乱.总而言之,暴力是可耻的,种族暴力更是可耻.

echopic

等级观念？
自卑和自负的心理。

villa

Shop-owner Abdullah Rubel: Waited three hours for police contact following an assault and death threat to his Indian friend.





据2009年3月12日《The Age》报道，墨尔本西区印度裔移民留学生计划在明天再次举行示威游行，抗议当地警力不足，治安不靖。

今年1月2日，超过100名印度裔移民和留学生游行到墨尔本西区Sunshine警局，抗议近期频发的针对印度裔暴力事件，要求警方加强保护措施。







Shortage of police raises vigilante fears


March 12, 2009   The Age

A PROTEST against a chronic shortage of police in the western suburbs will be held in Sunshine tomorrow, amid fears escalating attacks could lead to vigilante action.

The rally - which follows a sickening assault at Sunshine railway station last month - comes as the number of officers at Sunshine police station slumped from 78 in June 2006 to 68 in June last year.

Figures obtained by the State Opposition under Freedom of Information laws show the number of full-time police officers at stations in the western suburbs dropped from 423 in June 2006 to 388 last year.

Sunshine Residents and Ratepayers Association president Darlene Reilly said traders in Sunshine had started arming themselves in response to the lack of police protection.

"Do the residents have to do the same?" she asked.

The Age last month reported robberies increased by almost 30 per cent in the western suburbs last financial year. Police estimate almost a third of victims were of Indian appearance.

A police reference group formed with members of the Indian community discussed strategies to tackle the violence, including encouraging Indian students not to display signs of wealth such as iPods and phones, or talk loudly in their native language when travelling on trains late at night.

Police say these suggestions came from Indian members. But Ms Reilly said the community did not accept the proposed solutions.

"What's next - curfews, where no one is allowed to be on the streets after 8pm? We are demanding the State Government put more police on the streets and take back control from the gangs and thugs who currently roam our neighbourhoods."

Police Association secretary Greg Davies said a study by the National Institute of Economic and Industry Research last year showed Brimbank, which includes Sunshine and Keilor Downs, was down by 89 police. "Throughout the western suburbs there is an absolute chronic shortage of police and anyone who tells you differently is telling you porky pies," Senior Sergeant Davies said.

Brimbank police station last year resorted to scarecrow tactics - leaving marked cars parked across the municipality - to trick criminals into believing there were more officers on the beat.

Senior Sergeant Davies said he would hate to see any members of the public engage in vigilante action. "eople who are full of good intentions inevitably end up committing an assault and finding themselves standing in the dock in court, rather than the people they are trying to stop," he said. "They pay their taxes, they need to demand of this Government that they resource the western suburbs properly."

Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu said the lack of police in the western suburbs was hampering their ability to combat violent crime.

"I am deeply concerned about the violent targeting of international students," he said.

A spokeswoman for Police Minister Bob Cameron said frontline police had increased in Brimbank by 28.4 per cent since the Labor Government came to power.

"Since 2000, the Brimbank area has seen a 13.6 per cent decrease in overall crime," she said. Commander Trevor Carter, who manages policing across Melbourne's west, said there were vacancies in the Brimbank police service area and Victoria Police was working to fill them.

"  Police in the western suburbs do have a high and demanding workload and every effort is made to ensure that they are supported through a range of initiatives, including providing additional police when they become available," he said.

The rally will be held at Sunshine station bus interchange at 6pm tomorrow.

kyu

原帖由 s_x_j_z 于 2009-2-22 21:53 发表
幸好悉尼还没有大的类似事情，实际上咱们中国人也应该小心的，因为咱们在这里也是少数民族啊，记得在MQ上学的时候，有一个教授就严重歧视中国人（甚至在课堂上），学校为他还专门开了会研究留下他还是让他走，白人学 ...

你这个传说我从上MQ开始到结束一直听说。。自己确没有碰到过。。事实上我碰到的鬼子没有人敢歧视我

换句话。。歧视是自己想出来的。。很多情况。。是文化的不同和做人处世的方法。。为什么只有亚洲人嚷嚷歧视。。NZ和欧洲的移民很少嚷嚷歧视。。

好好想一下为什么再说歧视不歧视。

在AUS我碰的臭不要脸的华人和亚洲人。。要比鬼子多。。

kyu

你来到aus。。就必须学会溶入这个社会。你可以骂这个社会。。但是如果碰到问题就是歧视。。也太小家子气了。

春风吹又生

谴责！愤怒！

alexJJJ

其实我觉得我们更应该从人性的角度来看问题，不管是哪里来的人，都有好人坏人。其实我们应该反对的是坏人从事的坏事。就我个人而言，我还受到过印度人的帮助过。所以我觉得有必要在这里也声援一下，同时对那些恶人进行一下声讨。

kurtmomo2007

footscray,sunshine 这些区的小混混们不敢对asian 下手，因为怕惹上越南人。这些区都是越南人的聚居区，这里的越南人大多当年是越战时逃到澳洲，先在perth的难民营居住几年到十几年不等然后再来墨尔本的。当年perth 的光头党都被他们教训的一点脾气都没有了，虽然现在这些人都已步入中年，但是教训这些小混混还是不在话下的。
所以，小混混们就找阿三下手。
曹博士的悲剧应该是个意外。

mia83324

西区的治安确实是成问题啊。澳洲警力一共就那么点，大部分都调到city去了，city安全了，其他地方又乱了。出了问题才调配警力，根本没办法解决问题的，好也只是暂时变好。大家学会自我保护才好，尽量不要单独出门，看到可疑人物尽量避开，等等等等。

Downunder

原帖由 kyu 于 2009-3-12 09:45 发表

你这个传说我从上MQ开始到结束一直听说。。自己确没有碰到过。。事实上我碰到的鬼子没有人敢歧视我

换句话。。歧视是自己想出来的。。很多情况。。是文化的不同和做人处世的方法。。为什么只有亚洲人嚷嚷歧视。。NZ和欧洲的移民很少嚷嚷歧视。。

好好想一下为什么再说歧视不歧视。

在AUS我碰的臭不要脸的华人和亚洲人。。要比鬼子多。。 ...

你碰到的鬼子真好！

“歧视是自己想出来的。”真的这样吗？在澳洲还说没歧视，那不是睁眼说瞎话，就是装那个。

一炷香

周五起，一条专门针对遭受暴力攻击的印度学生的救助热线将正式开通。这一举措主要由在澳印度团体自发设立，为了遏制不断攀升的种族歧视攻击。

最新的一次事件发生在上周，一名印度学生在开往Werribee的火车上被抢劫，并遭殴打。警方的数据显示，在过去8年中相关案件屡见不鲜，有些地区的发案率甚至翻了一番。




Helpline thrown to Indian students

http://www.theage.com.au/national/helpline-thrown-to-indian-students-20090511-b0mt.html?page=-1
Jewel Topsfield
May 12, 2009


A HELPLINE to assist Indian students who are victims of crime will begin operating from Friday amid mounting alarm over violent racist attacks in Melbourne's western suburbs.

The strategy comes as statistics obtained by the State Opposition reveal violent crime has risen by up to 100 per cent in some areas in the west over the past eight years.

And the growing number of attacks on Indian students have made headlines in India, with the Hindustan Times reporting students were "scared" and the Economic Times of India warning the Australian Government's $3.5 million campaign to attract Indian students to combat the recession could remain a "non-starter" if the issue of racial attacks was not addressed.

The helpline, to be staffed by trained volunteers fluent in English and Hindi, will provide guidance on what to do and where to go in a crisis. It is an initiative of a police reference group, formed with members of the Indian community.

But Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu said that without a zero-tolerance approach to racial assaults and more police, there was little hope of stamping out the violence.

Statistics obtained by the Opposition under Freedom of Information laws show violent crimes against persons in Melton increased by 101 per cent from 2000-2001 to 2007-2008. There was an increase of 51 per cent over the same period in Brimbank, 43.5 per cent in Wyndham and 15.2 per cent in Hobsons Bay, while Maribyrnong bucked the trend with a decrease of 11.4 per cent.

The Federation of Indian Students of Australia said police had failed to curb racist attacks against Indians and it did not see many positive developments from the reference group.

Other strategies discussed by the group include educating Indian students to keep a low profile by not displaying signs of wealth, such as iPods or laptops, and not talking loudly in their native tongue when travelling on trains late at night. Police say these suggestions came from Indian members.

Federation of Indian Students of Australia president Amit Menghani said keeping a low profile would do nothing to prevent Indian students like Mr Sharma from being bashed by racist gangs.

Assistant Police Commissioner of Region Two West, Sandra Nicholson, denied police were failing to act. She said police last year established the Embona anti-robbery taskforce specifically to address attacks on Indian students.

"They have been extremely successful — last week alone they made seven arrests for robberies," she said.

Assistant Commissioner Nicholson said the increase in violent crime over the past eight years had to be considered in light of population growth in the west, with Melton and Wyndham among the highest growth areas in the state.

The helpline (1800 342 800) will be staffed from 10am to 5pm, and 7pm to 11pm, Monday to Friday.

A trail of racist attacks

May, 2009: Indian student Sourabh Sharma (right) bashed and robbed by racist gang on train to Werribee.

December, 2008: Sukhraj Singh bashed in an Indian grocery in Sunshine, which left him in a coma for weeks.

September 2008: Former Australian Medical Association president Mukesh Haikerwal assaulted in Williamstown.

April 2008: Student and taxi driver Jalvinder Singh stabbed by a passenger.

March, 2008: Student Kanan Kharbanda partially blinded in gang attack at Sunshine railway station.

January 2008: Victoria University academic Dr Zhongjun Cao bashed to death in Footscray after a gang of youths, who thought he was Indian, went "curry bashing".

老虎仔

歧视哪里都有的，
在中国一样也有歧视，

有的城里人看不起乡下人，有的有钱人看不起没钱的。。。

好人，坏人，哪里都有。

我在北京的超市，见到过一个开宝马车的，从车山下来，冲着门口的保安就直接闪了2大嘴巴子。

在这里，我也遇到过爱攀比，嫉人有，笑人无的同胞，也见过态度很恶略的当地人。

xji

哎，又是暴力。

这里有人说印度人还行，有人说讨厌印度人。退一万步讲，就算你歧视印度人也好，憎恨印度人也好，至少不该用暴力，大不了你不和印度人打交道呗。说到澳洲社会风气被那族人搞坏了云云，那是轮得到你几个嘴上没毛的白人小混混管的吗？谁说你为了整治社会风气就可以上街蒙面打人抢东西的？讨厌印度人你也可以到移民局门口游行啊。

不管你心里怎么想，有一条原则不能变：暴力不可解决任何问题。不过可惜，这条原则莫说几个小混混不懂，就连堂堂大国，强国也不懂啊。

kiddyzheng

我觉得越南人那个原因说得有些道理，印度人没有暴力团伙，中东人有，亚洲人有。

[ 本帖最后由 kiddyzheng 于 2009-5-12 11:39 编辑 ]

苜蓿无肉

原帖由 wwwgjhxx.w5 于 2009-2-19 14:53 发表


我觉得你说的毫无道理。。。

我认为他说的很有道理

狄仁杰

印度人不值得同情，你们要是知道印度人如何挑拨华人和澳洲人的关系就觉得印度人确实欠揍了。
1。印度媒体诬陷中国搅乱尼泊尔政局 外交部驳斥
http://www.dahe.cn/xwzx/gn/t20090513_1552229.htm

2。 印媒诬我借对外经援搞新扩张主义
http://intl.ce.cn/zgysj/200905/13/t20090513_19061013.shtml

3。 印度学者诬蔑中国向南亚极端分子提供武器
http://www.militaryy.cn/html/28/n-2028.html
原帖地址：http://bbs.cqzg.cn/thread-696672-1-1.html

4。印度媒体造谣称孟买血案手榴弹来自中国
http://www.fx719.cn/new/2652.html

[ 本帖最后由 狄仁杰 于 2009-5-13 22:30 编辑 ]

狄仁杰

前段时间看电视，一个印度人接受澳洲SBS（傻逼死）电视台，这个电台专门报道中国的负面新闻（尤其是伪造的）。 这个印度人说，中国人给塔利班提供军火，造成巴基斯坦的内战；中国援助非洲的项目被他说成是殖民非洲，在苏丹反政府的武装分子手中发现一支很老的中国的五六式半自动步枪（如今军训的学生都不用了），就说中国给武装分子提供武器。
我心里说你怎么不看看其他成千上万的武器啊，都是美国的和俄罗斯的军火，你怎么不敢说啊？ 哦，发现了我们一支枪就开始大肆渲染了。
昨天又看到新闻说   印媒诬我借对外经援搞新扩张主义，下面是原贴地址：
http://intl.ce.cn/zgysj/200905/13/t20090513_19061013.shtml

自己曾经是英国的殖民地，还对世界宣称不是亚洲国家。感觉印度人的人品比越南人还低一个等级。

gozh2005

虽然我也烦印度人，可是暴力行为是完全不对的。而且做为在国外的外族人（哪怕你入了籍），也许有一天就轮到我们。

gozh2005

或者这样想，当你新年晚上走在街上时，有没有过白人小青年喝醉酒的，对你比过中指或者说一些话？几乎每年我都看到过的。感觉很不爽的。

marrow

原帖由 狄仁杰 于 2009-5-13 21:59 发表
印度人不值得同情，你们要是知道印度人如何挑拨华人和澳洲人的关系就觉得印度人确实欠揍了。
1。印度媒体诬陷中国搅乱尼泊尔政局 外交部驳斥
http://www.dahe.cn/xwzx/gn/t20090513_1552229.htm

2。 印媒诬我借 ...

这位同学不要把政治问题和种族问题混在一起，中印两国出于自身利益，必有政治对抗。但同为澳洲的少数族裔在对抗种族问题方面是站在一起的。

狄仁杰

原帖由 marrow 于 2009-5-13 22:51 发表

这位同学不要把政治问题和种族问题混在一起，中印两国出于自身利益，必有政治对抗。但同为澳洲的少数族裔在对抗种族问题方面是站在一起的。

好吧，那你就等着印度人跟你站在一起吧。
记住，毒蛇苏醒了还要把恩人咬死呢。
还有如此执迷不悟的好同学，佩服一下 。

印度人里面如果有你这么高觉悟的人就好了，呵呵。

[ 本帖最后由 狄仁杰 于 2009-5-13 23:11 编辑 ]

澳洲桉树

印度社团果然行动得快。

wwp

看到这样的报道就来气！虽然现在专门针对华人的暴力行为还不是很多，但澳洲政府对这些小P孩的放任态度迟早会发展到这一天的。我一直不明白，对这种事情为什么不反抗呢？一味的迁就就是纵容，以暴制暴也是一种对策！只是不知道澳政府对这些小P孩如此宽容，但如果我反抗将他们都撂倒了澳政府会对我是什么态度？（对付10名20岁以下的烂仔，如果我手下留情的话，应该可以轻松让他们一半以上的人残废）。

西蒙

楼上这个很强，特种兵出身吧。
干脆开个班给华人授课吧。

gorilla

原帖由 狄仁杰 于 2009-5-13 22:18 发表
前段时间看电视，一个印度人接受澳洲SBS（傻逼死）电视台，这个电台专门报道中国的负面新闻（尤其是伪造的）。 这个印度人说，中国人给塔利班提供军火，造成巴基斯坦的内战；中国援助非洲的项目被他说成是殖民非洲， ...

gorilla

原帖由 wwp 于 2009-5-14 00:31 发表
看到这样的报道就来气！虽然现在专门针对华人的暴力行为还不是很多，但澳洲政府对这些小P孩的放任态度迟早会发展到这一天的。我一直不明白，对这种事情为什么不反抗呢？一味的迁就就是纵容，以暴制暴也是一种对策！只 ...

小心: : you will be arrested 一虐待儿童罪

[ 本帖最后由 gorilla 于 2009-5-14 15:10 编辑 ]

wwp

原帖由 西蒙 于 2009-5-14 10:17 发表
楼上这个很强，特种兵出身吧。
干脆开个班给华人授课吧。

呵呵，没那么神奇，只不过是学过几年散打而已，墨本不是也有些武馆授课嘛。
其实，危险来临时普通民众最大的敌人就是自己，首先是恐惧然后是退缩，这首先注定就输了。面对这些疯狂的烂仔你的忍让并不能唤起他们的同情心，在无路可退的情况下要立即转为主动出击！这些烂仔根本没受过专业训练，只不过是仗人多势众寻求刺激罢了，在我们强烈反抗下一般是做鸟兽散了，可能我们会受点伤，甚至因为出手过重蹲2年牢，但总比丢了性命好吧？想想那些死的那么惨、那么冤的华人，他们上有老下有小，而凶手根本受不到应有的惩罚。这样做也是为自己为家人负责。
如果有兴趣，版主不反对的话，等有空我贴点普通百姓对敌实战技巧，很简单实用人人都会，对付澳洲烂仔绰绰有余，以一当十也不是问题。当然了，如果你面对的是光头党、三合会等专业黑帮，那么我奉劝还是能跑多快跑多快，哈哈。

wwp

原帖由 gorilla 于 2009-5-14 15:08 发表

小心: : you will be arrested 一虐待儿童罪

虐待儿童？曹博士的孩子是儿童不？今后谁来管？谁来负责？
如果人人都抱着忍让退缩的心态，下一个曹博士就是你、就是我！