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2018年度勋章

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神户大学传染病专家,岩田健太郎教授18日晚在youtube上传视频,说钻石公主号游轮上情况悲惨。该视频连同英语版本半日内就被观看了50多万次。

根据视频所说,岩田18日作为灾害派遣医疗团队的一员初次上船。他说船上无法区分哪里是没有病毒的安全区域,哪里是不安全的区域。“没法知道哪里有病毒哪里没病毒”, “从心底里认为情况很悲惨”。

截止18日船上共有542名乘客感染。感染者持续增加,令海外对于应对不足的批评省渐高。被岩田批评的厚生劳动省官员反驳说:“和能够分区的医院建筑不同,船上有结构构造方面的限制。在这种限制中依然按照时间区分,让感染者和非感染者不要交互,采取了适当的应对”。

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2018年度勋章

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听得懂日文的网友自己听吧

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这船以后不能再载人了吧?

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哎 太悲催了

2009年度奖章获得者 2014年度奖章获得者 2015年度奖章获得者

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twitter上说教授上传了视频之后回家自我隔离了

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好多轻度患者自己没意识到事情的严重性,没那么大心理压力现在想来也是好事
一般日本人性格会更悲观些,欧美人会更大大咧咧一些
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这就是缩小版的武汉

退役斑竹

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我来转一下翻译

视频内容较长,来不及做字幕,给大家划个重点:
船上根本没有传染病专家,只有DMAT——灾害派遣医疗组(通常应对地震、海啸等自然灾害)和厚生劳动省的官员。
他本人想作为“传染病专家”上船,受到多方阻挠。后来换了其他“身份”上船,被船上情况震惊到。
已有症状的人和还没有症状的人,没有严格的区域区分,混杂在一起非常混乱。也没有专业团队告诉他们应该怎么做,感染的可能性极大。
发热患者随意走动,工作人员的装备也不规范。
总之船内根本没有采取什么有效的防护措施,船上的人都是抱着自己被感染也完全不奇怪的想法在工作。
DMAT的医生下船之后,居然回自己的医院继续工作!
现在也没有传染病专家在,对官员阻止信息公开感到非常遗憾。
顺带表扬了中国一波...
他本人有丰富防治经验,亲自参加过抗非典、埃博拉等许多传染病现场,那时候因为有足够的防护措施,并不觉得多危险。但进入“公主号”后感到非常担忧和害怕,他现在担心自己被感染已经在家自我隔离。
今天(19号),船上的人就要下船了……

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我来转一下翻译

视频内容较长,来不及做字幕,给大家划个重点:
船上根本没有传染病专家,只有DMAT——灾害派遣医疗组(通常应对地震、海啸等自然灾害)和厚生劳动省的官员。
他本人想作为“传染病专家”上船,受到多方阻挠。后来换了其他“身份”上船,被船上情况震惊到。
已有症状的人和还没有症状的人,没有严格的区域区分,混杂在一起非常混乱。也没有专业团队告诉他们应该怎么做,感染的可能性极大。
发热患者随意走动,工作人员的装备也不规范。
总之船内根本没有采取什么有效的防护措施,船上的人都是抱着自己被感染也完全不奇怪的想法在工作。
DMAT的医生下船之后,居然回自己的医院继续工作!
现在也没有传染病专家在,对官员阻止信息公开感到非常遗憾。
顺带表扬了中国一波...
他本人有丰富防治经验,亲自参加过抗非典、埃博拉等许多传染病现场,那时候因为有足够的防护措施,并不觉得多危险。但进入“公主号”后感到非常担忧和害怕,他现在担心自己被感染已经在家自我隔离。
今天(19号),船上的人就要下船了……

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ruiminlin 发表于 2020-2-19 14:32
这就是缩小版的武汉

这艘船是小武汉的话,日本政府让人自行回家的做法实际上就是要把日本变成大湖北。

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这次日本的防疫控制表现大跌眼镜
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还有,今明两天在大阪木村拓哉进行总动员人数达3w的演唱, 天佑我拓

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蕃语吹替版:
https://www.investmentwatchblog. ... niversity-hospital/

Hello my name is professor Kentaro Iwata I am a specialist of infectious diseases at Kobe University Hospital, Kobe Japan.


Today I entered into the cruise ship Diamond Princess which is bombarded by a-lot of COVID 19 infection right now and I was removed from the ship on the same day and I’m going to talk to you why this happened.

I was very concerned of the number of the people who got infected with COVID 19 disease infections. Then I was wondering why this is happening, I wanted to enter into the cruise ship and wanted to be useful in helping to containing infection there I spoke with several people and finally the one officer at working for Ministry of Health and Labor called me yesterday saying that well you can come and enter into a cruise ship and do the infection control work and I said fine, then I prepared my stuff and I did all the paperwork’s and arrangement and they got in onto the Shinkansen? from Kobe to Yokohama all the way to go to Yokohama

I got another call from the same officer say that somebody didn’t like me so do you can’t get into the cruise ship. He was not able to say who and he was not able to say why but certainly some power over him affected his decision and I was blocked from entering into the ship then after several discussions he found another way that if you could come as a DMAT team member you can come in at into the cruise ship. DMAT is the disaster management medical team in Japan and usually deals with disaster not infectious diseases but because of the lack of the people who could help people inside a cruise ship to get out of the ship or the managing of people and the swan song DMAT was requested to enter in the cruise ship because my specialty is not a disaster management

So I was not very happy about that, but because we have no other way I said fine I’ll do that. Additionally I got another call that some people didn’t like me getting into the cruise ship present even as a DMAT member. Another discussion happened then the I waited about our one hour in shin-yokohama sessions and finally the officer find a way that if you work for DMAT not as an infection prevention specialist, but as the ordinary routine Diamond officer working under wounded team at doctor doing a routine job then you could come into the cruise ship.

I was not very happy with that decision but because there’s no other way so I said finding out get into the ship I entered the ship then I found the chief officer of the DMAT and spoke with him I said well I was assigned to the DMAT members or the out whatever you want to say they hes well you don’t have to work team DMAT work because that’s not your specialty and you are an infection prevention specialist so why don’t you do the infection control then I said fine

I spoke with the superior of him who is in charge of the DMAT operations and he also said that you are infection control person so you should do infection control I said fine but he said well you shouldn’t be here as a DMAT member you should come as the along to infection control specialist he was not very happy about while I was inside a DMAT but because that was not my decision there was no other way so he I said well I have to do it

I looked into the several places inside the ship and the turned out that the cruise ship was completely inadequate in terms of the infection control there was no distinction between the Green Zone which is the free of infection and the Red Zone which is potentially contaminated by virus.

So the people could come and go wearing a PPE of PPE crews were just walking around and the officers of ministry the health and the labor was walking around, DMAT people are walking around, psychiatrists are walking around, and people were eating in one place, people were wearing PPE and off PPE and eating lunch with their gloves on and just dealing with the smart phone with full PPE so it was completely chaotic and some crews had a fever they went to the medical center while wearing and N95 masks but he didn’t have any protection between his room and a medical room and the medical officer was not protecting herself and that she was very happy saying that well she was already infected I’m sure about that, so the she was completely giving up protecting herself anyways



I dealt with a lots of infections more than twenty years and I was in Africa dealing with the Ebola outbreak, I was in another country is dealing with the cholera outbreak I was in China in 2003 to deal with the SARS, and I saw many febrile patient there. I never had fear of getting infection myself, for Ebola, SARS, cholera because I know how to protect myself and how to protect others and how the infection control should be.

So I could do the adequate infection control protect myself and protect others. but inside Princess Diamond I was so scared, I was so scared of getting COVID-19 because there was no way to tell where the virus is. No green zone no red zone everywhere could have Virus and everybody was not careful about it. There was no single professional infection control person inside the ship and that there was nobody in charge of infection prevention as a professional.

The bureaucrats were in charge of everything and I spoke with the head officer of the Ministry of Health on labor and he was very unhappy with my suggestion of protecting DMAT people and other staffs so that no other secondary transmission to occur then after several hours of talking to people and finding problems I found a lot of issues there for example informed consent of getting a PCR from the people in the ship was on a paper and that paper was going back and forth back and forth with the room of the infection from the paper by touching there.

So I suggested that maybe it’s better to abandon the paper type informed consent but resolutely getting the informed consent probably would be more protective so on so on so yeah I, I think I was reasonable, and I never yell at anybody, and I never criticize anybody personally, but I was trying to be constructive but we try to seek the constructive but immediate improvement to protect everybody inside the ship

Then about five o’clock the person from the quarantine office came in and approached said well you have to be out because you will not be allowed to inside of ship because I was inside ship as the temporary officer of the quarantine that he apparently my my rank was removed by somebody and then nobody said who that the I was out. And the officer who offered me the job of infection control said he was sorry then I asked him so what do you want to do then do you want to infect everybody in the ship? it will be your thousands of people who could potentially get COVID-19.

I don’ t criticize DMAT people they were not infection control specialists, Society of infection prevention entered the, a lot of specialists came in but they spend only a few days and to left. And they said they were fearful of getting infections themselves. I share the same fear because I’m in the same room now and I separated from my family I’m very scared of getting infection myself and I’m very scared of infecting my family too.

I’ll be out of my medical services at Culver University Hospital for maybe next two weeks to avoid further infections to occur that is very likely to occur if you keep zero infection control inside the ship that brings us like this.

You might know that there is no CDC in Japan but I thought there must be some specialists called on and was in charge of infection control in ship it’s not expecting nobody was professional infection control specialist and the only the bureaucrats were doing the jobs completely layman’s work in the violating all the infection control principles and the risking people inside further infections so I’m not very surprised to see many new positive PCR’s to be broadcasted every day hundreds of people got infected and the lot of people from outside Japan decided to take the people away from the ship and bring them to their home countries by airplane and offered them another 14 days of quarantine. I hope this will be the opportunity to raise a question what is happening inside ship.

I wish all the international bodies to request Japan to change. I wish everybody to call for protection of people inside the Diamond Princess. Otherwise there will be far more infections for passengers for crews for Diamond members for psychiatrist for officer of the Ministry of Health and labor DMAT member consists of nurses and doctors and that they will go back to the hospital they work routinely and it’s a much infected their patients further to spread and the disease.

I can’t bear with it, I can’t bear with it, I think we have to change we have to do something about these crews and we have to help people inside the ship their safety and their life.

Again I am professor Kentaro Iwata of infection this infectious disease specialist thank you for listening.

AC

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擅长修车,坐标悉尼

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说个阴谋论,日本政府很聪明,不用花很大代价就能解决老龄化社会结构,甩掉养老包袱,最多赔掉一个奥运会,但是要是能直接干掉20%以上的80岁以上老年人,对日本财政和经济都是一个利好。

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前两天说吓死了,今天是真要被吓死了

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应该按批和时间接下飞机隔离
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反正以后打死不坐邮轮

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DMAT的医生下船之后,居然回自己的医院继续工作!


这个操作可怕!

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hedgehog 发表于 2020-2-19 14:33
船上大部分客人是坐几等舱?多少人同住一个房间?

多数是两人,四人房间少一点
房间基本就是内舱(没有窗子),外舱(有窗但是不能打开,没阳台)和阳台房。有的阳台房有套间,算是最好的了。

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shintaku 发表于 2020-2-19 14:33
我来转一下翻译
视频内容较长,来不及做字幕,给大家划个重点:
船上根本没有传染病专家,只有DMAT——灾害派遣医疗组(通常应对地震、海啸等自然灾害)和厚生劳动省的官员。
他本人想作为“传染病专家”上船,受到多方阻挠。后来换了其他“身份”上船,被船上情况震惊到。
已有症状的人和还没有症状的人,没有严格的区域区分,混杂在一起非常混乱。也没有专业团队告诉他们应该怎么做,感染的可能性极大。
发热患者随意走动,工作人员的装备也不规范。
总之船内根本没有采取什么有效的防护措施,船上的人都是抱着自己被感染也完全不奇怪的想法在工作。
DMAT的医生下船之后,居然回自己的医院继续工作!
现在也没有传染病专家在,对官员阻止信息公开感到非常遗憾。
顺带表扬了中国一波...
他本人有丰富防治经验,亲自参加过抗非典、埃博拉等许多传染病现场,那时候因为有足够的防护措施,并不觉得多危险。但进入“公主号”后感到非常担忧和害怕,他现在担心自己被感染已经在家自我隔离。
今天(19号),船上的人就要下船了……


当真日人竟如此做事的?!
大跌眼镜。。。

别君去兮何时还,白鹿已老青崖间。。。

退役斑竹

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ItsThere 发表于 2020-2-19 14:08
当真日人竟如此做事的?!
大跌眼镜。。。

你大概对日本有误解。
对这种没有现成章程的事件,日本政府没有什么优于其他政府的行动力。
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而且日本抠啊,心疼钱啊,心疼旅游观光收入和奥运会啊。
当年核电站也是因为心疼核反应堆酿成大祸。

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shintaku 发表于 2020-2-19 13:33
我来转一下翻译

视频内容较长,来不及做字幕,给大家划个重点:

不会真的现在把整船人放回家吧……

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日本人这个应变能力真是太打脸了!

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violinlearner 发表于 2020-2-19 14:26
听得懂日文的网友自己听吧

有英文版的,这个教授的英文非常好

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发表于 2020-2-19 14:18 来自手机 |显示全部楼层
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椎名道哥 发表于 2020-2-19 14:16
不会真的现在把整船人放回家吧……

今天上午10点已经有500人乘公共交通回家
和某些人争论是我的错
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shintaku 发表于 2020-2-19 15:13
你大概对日本有误解。
对这种没有现成章程的事件,日本政府没有什么优于其他政府的行动力。 ...

我只知日本是当代一流强国。。。
他们没把船上的疏散到人口少的区域让我觉得奇怪,哪怕是农庄村舍都比留船上好,没想到在船上也并没做什么。
太烂了,还是不能托付,信不过。。
别君去兮何时还,白鹿已老青崖间。。。

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shintaku 发表于 2020-2-19 14:32
我来转一下翻译

视频内容较长,来不及做字幕,给大家划个重点:


我信传染病专家的话,也终于算明白了为什么感染人数持续上升,居然现场没有派传染病专家去,一群外行人在瞎忙

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shintaku 发表于 2020-2-19 15:18
今天上午10点已经有500人乘公共交通回家

等着爆发。。。
别君去兮何时还,白鹿已老青崖间。。。

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船上交叉感染,其实日本本岛感染得人不多,都是在这个船上,怪不得日本不让另一艘邮轮停靠。

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