建立SMSF(自己管理养老金)的经验谈

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序言 - 建立SMSF(自己管理养老金)的原因.

申明：我不是金融顾问或注册税务代理，以下所有的东东都是我个人见解，不能构任何的金融投资税务养老金的建议。本人不为我写的个人见解承担任何形式的损失和责任负责。本人强烈建议对任何投资,税务和养老金的决定之前, 一定要咨询专业人事. 如果要引用, 可以转载但是要注明出处(oursteps.com.au)以及作者。

Disclaimer: I am not a financial advisor or registered tax agent. Below are just my personal opinions only. It does not constitute a financial, tax or superannuation advice in any form. I cannot be held responsible for any loss or liability as a result of reading this opinion. Please consult your financial adviser, tax agent before making decisions in relation to your investment and tax affairs. Please include oursteps.com.au and the author if you want to use this article somewhere else.

前段时间收到的Superannuation公司的若干份信, 打开后每次都是一句话, WTF, 我靠! 我一年的Contribution不止白交了, 还贴上了不少费用. 想想自己投资头脑还是有一点的, superannuation and tax 的知识还是可以滥竽充数的, 不如自己建立个SMSF, 当当Funds Managerment的瘾.

第二个原因是新工作涉及就是Self Managed Superannuation Fund系统, 不如把自己的例子, 可以好好测试软件(QA), 看看我所需要的要求(BA), 对我目前的工作也有帮助.

第三我现在的Super Balance (<$70,000) 根本不适和去做SMSF. 但是很SMSF不一定是关于Balance, 而是Control. Control & manager 自己的Financial Affais.

第四我由于换了好几个工作, 还有做过一两个Contract Jobs, 所以Superannuation is all over the place, 这样也是把7/8个funds完成统一大业的最好时机.

第五可以名正言顺地收购俺LD的Super, 她的公司以12%的Contribution, 完成小鱼吃大鱼的完美兼并.  

求人不如求自己, 二话不说, 动手就做!

[ 本帖最后由 Artcore 于 2008-11-15 07:39 编辑 ]

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Reference (资料库)

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http://www.ato.gov.au

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AusIndustry
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Association of Superannuation Funds of Australia Ltd, The
http://www.asfa.asn.au

Association of Taxation and Management Accountants, The
http://www.atma.com.au

Australian Accounting Standards Board
http://www.aasb.com.au

CPA Australia
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Investment & Financial Services Association Limited
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Law Society of Western Australia
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National Institute of Accountants
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NTAA — National Tax & Accountants' Association
http://www.ntaa.com.au

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Australian Stock Exchange
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ATP — Australian Tax Practice
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CPD — Centre for Professional Development
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Bloomberg
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Reuters
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Queensland

Bond University
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Griffith University
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South Australia

Flinders University
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University of Adelaide
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Western Australia

Curtin University of Technology
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Edith Cowan University
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Murdoch University
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University of Western Australia
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Tasmania

University of Tasmania
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Territories

Australian National University
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University of Canberra
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[ 本帖最后由 Artcore 于 2008-11-17 23:58 编辑 ]

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coolioo

先把分加上

西门吹哨

看下，合适的话，我也照着你的做

rb

等着看好文章。:si20

eagleowl

恩, 我也在考虑. 不过要几个人一起才行

沅

支持。必然是强文。正好我家也要签这个保险协议了。

leo727

熊猫自做帐，找人审计，成本应该低于管理费

xingbu

很好奇，等下文

紫萱

楼主，快把坑补上，很期待看到你得文章！

沅

原帖由 紫萱 于 2008-11-14 14:43 发表
楼主，快把坑补上，很期待看到你得文章！

9494，LZ快点填坑。

hottemper

强文支持 (paopaobing(79))

MingDeng

Personally, it doesn't worth to do SMSF.

Too mush time and effort have to put into on the daily basis. Every investment decision made by the individual in the fund  has to involve.

Compare to other investment with same level of effort, the return is not attractive. (Just personal opinion)

黑山老妖

Thank you.

astina

非常期待

sweeet

虽然同意目前自己做不是最佳选择，但是很想听听楼主的经验分享，感谢

T-shirt

晕啊，比我当年写的论文还复杂。

搬个板凳等结论好了。一想起自己辛辛苦苦赚的钱被那帮吸血鬼拿去“管理”就不爽。我自己拿去投资比他们强多鸟~

courier

Artcore的好文期待

fzha8447

拭目以待！

ivy-liao

就光看那些super fund付给advisor的commission，心里就不爽，那些都是我们的银子啊。加上这个fee那个fee，还来个股票亏损，还不如我放定存的。

曾经考虑国同样的问题，但是好像要audit什么的，看似很麻烦，就搁置了。

擦亮眼镜，等楼主经验之谈！

托姆

期待好文

甜螺

看到这个题目，想到了自己。我做SFSF 很多年了，好像从2000年就开始了 （参加了无数免费的、付钱的投资、理财讲座的结果），基本属于比较前卫的。 那时 ITbubble 破灭，风险投资损失，看到自己的super 不涨还跌，还要付各种费用，一时气不过，就决定干脆自己掌握命运。

8年下来，觉得很麻烦。每年要做audit，加上accounting，总的费用还蛮高的。 自己做投资，虽然主动权在手里，但股市不好，一样被套，一样损失。 说实话，现在反而后悔当初的选择了。好处自然也有，首先不用付fund manager 的费用了， 还可以拿一笔否则动不了的钱练习投资，理论上讲，如果这个过程学到了很多东西，以后的回报也是很高的，但是能获取多少只是和经验，又因人而异，付出的代价，也是要考虑进去的。 现在退也不方便退， 因为手续上又要麻烦一次，（想当年那种激情已经没了），其次，手上的股票还不想就这样卖掉，所以现在是依然保持现状。

个人感觉如果你自己感觉股票投资上有一定水准，又愿意花精力的话，尤其是能够保证持续地投入热情的话， by all means, go for it!  但对大多数人来说，不一定值得。。。

个人经验之谈，希望能提供些借鉴

astina

谢谢，甜螺原来这么早就吃螃蟹了，你的经验相信对很多人都会有用

黑山老妖

原帖由 甜螺 于 1/12/2008 22:40 发表
看到这个题目，想到了自己。我做SFSF 很多年了，好像从2000年就开始了 （参加了无数免费的、付钱的投资、理财讲座的结果），基本属于比较前卫的。 那时 ITbubble 破灭，风险投资损失，看到自己的super 不涨还跌，还要 ...

每年的费用大概有多少啊？

甜螺

原帖由 astina 于 2008-12-1 22:48 发表
谢谢，甜螺原来这么早就吃螃蟹了，你的经验相信对很多人都会有用

吃螃蟹吃得还蛮多的，经验教训都不少

甜螺

原帖由 黑山老妖 于 2008-12-1 22:50 发表

每年的费用大概有多少啊？

待我回头查一查，再来报告。