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[种菜种瓜] GARDEN BED种植床应该怎么选木料——讨论贴。 [复制链接]

发表于 2013-7-19 12:35 |显示全部楼层
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里面提到了如何选择菜床木料的问题,大家一起来讨论!我先抛砖引玉。

首先,是要了解木料的种类,因为大家都知道普通的TREADED PINE不能用来围菜床,因为有毒。那到底应该用什么木料来围呢? 因此我去了MASTER的网站,找到了下面这个好东西:


Garden Edge ACQ H4 125x38x1200mm
H4 treated for in ground use
Non-toxic treated timber, perfect for creating a vegetable garden
1.2Metres long Read more

细节请看:http://www.masters.com.au/produc ... cq-h4-125x38x1200mm

因为这个板子是TREATED过得,所以我又GOOGLE了一下,发现下面的这篇文章:

Treated pine for vegie gardens
In the Garden > Gardening Tips, Books, Techniques and Tools

This article on treated pine appeared in the February 2009 issue of 'Burke's Backyard' magazine. The bottom line is this: relax! Treated pine is safe to use in gardens, but if you are worried about the old-style arsenic-treated pine, the new stuff – ACQ treated pine – is arsenic-free and becoming easier to find.

Lots of people worry about the safety of treated pine sleepers for vegie garden beds, but new products and sound research should ease organic gardeners’ fears.

One of the most popular ways to edge raised vegie garden beds is to use timber sleepers of some sort. And that’s where people start to worry. They know that the famous poison arsenic is part of the treatment used to preserve the most common sort of treated pine – CCA treated pine (which stands for ‘Copper Chrome Arsenate’). The understandable fear is that the arsenic will leach into the soil and enter the plants. Considering that almost all backyard vegie growers these days are growing their own food organically, with the emphasis on chemical-free, healthy plants, the idea of poison lurking in their organic-rich soil is definitely not on. No way, Jose!

Arsenic fears
The evidence against CCA treated pine isn’t strong, but the simple fact is that lots of people don’t trust it, won’t trust it and won’t use it because it has arsenic in it. And for them there is good news. There’s a new form of treated pine around called ACQ which is free of arsenic and chromium and offers real peace of mind, so see our box story on ACQ treated pine for more details on this.
But back to the CCA treated pine, as this is far easier to obtain than ACQ treated pine at the moment. First of all, why do they use copper, chrome and arsenic to treat timber? Well, the copper controls fungi and marine borers, the arsenic controls termites and other insects, and the chromium fixes these two chemicals in the timber.

There is little evidence that the arsenic in treated pine leaches into soils. Where the real concerns lay is when CCA treated pine is used in playground equipment, where toddlers, who will put virtually anything in their mouth, run the risk of chewing on a scrap of timber or soil which lies next to treated timber. Another real concern with CCA is when woodworkers cut it. Breathing in the sawdust from treated pine is a health hazard, and you should always wear a dust mask when cutting it, and keep spectators away. CCA treated pine should also never be burned, nor should it ever come in contact with drinking water.

So, with all those warnings, it’s no wonder that people shy away from CCA treated pine. But, as we have said earlier, there is little credible scientific evidence that when used as an edging material for garden beds, that it leaches arsenic into the soil.

ACQ treated pine
This is the new, safer type of treated pine that everyone can use with peace of mind. It has just one drawback right now – it’s hard to find, sometimes very hard or impossible to find, depending on where you live. But it is available, and become more readily available. If you try to find it this year and cannot source any locally, try again in a few months’ time.
The letters ACQ indicate the use of Copper and Quarternary Ammonium Compound to protect against fungi, termites and other wood-boring insects. It is identical in performance to CCA treated pine. ACQ treated pine looks much the same as CCA treated pine. Both start out green in colour, then weather to grey over time.
ACQ timber is not generally stored as a stock item in mainstream stores such as Bunnings, Mitre 10 or timber yards but it can be ordered by them. Pine Solutions is a distributor of ACQ timber.  If you call them they will try to put you in touch with your closest timber yard and help you place an order.

Contacts
Try your local timber yard first. If they say they don’t know about ACQ timber, find a yard which does, or at least suggest that they get in touch with Pine Solutions so they can order the timber for you. Pine Solutions is not a supplier – this firm simply facilitates access to the product. Pine Solutions can be contacted on 13 23 21. The supplier closest to Sydney which regularly has ACQ timber is LM Hayter and Son, 950 Silverwater Rd, Werombi, NSW; phone (02) 4653 1352. In Victoria, Bulleen Art and Garden, at 6 Manningham Road West, Bulleen, Vic, phone (03) 9850 5155,  www.baag.com.au has stocks of ACQ treated pine sleepers. A standard 2.4m x 200mm x 75mm ACQ sleeper is $19.95 at Buleen Art and Garden.

Eco Wood
Another product on the market which is also arsenic-free and said to be suitable for vegie gardens is Eco Wood. This is used by National Parks for bollards and similar structures. It is more readily available – in Sydney, try Australian Native Landscapes on (02) 9450 1444.

Arsenic aplenty
As soon as people hear the word ‘arsenic’ they feel uneasy, but as Professor Ben Selinger pointed out in his story on arsenic in our February 2004 issue of ‘Burke’s Backyard’ magazine, “Natural arsenic is found in soils, food and drinking water (eg, Vichy mineral water)… Most natural arsenic in food is locked up as organo-arsenic (it’s high in rock lobster, mussels and prawns), and this relatively harmless arsenic passes through us unnoticed.”

The right grade
When buying treated pine for vegie garden beds, the main thing to remember is to buy the right grade of treated pine for in-ground use. The grading system is based on numbers. For in-ground use, you will need to buy timber rated at least H4, but H5 and H6 provide more protection (H6 is rated for below-ground use and is recommended).

Re-treat after cuts
If you have to cut treated pine, you will need to re-seal the cut surface to maintain its rating. However, the easy way to get around this problem is not to cut treated pine. Base your design for vegie garden beds on a standard size sleeper and avoid cutting it altogether. (这点要注意,不要CUT TREATED过的木料)

Copyright CTC Productions 2009

来源:http://burkesbackyard.com.au/article.php?id=6079

那也就是说,其实ACQ TREATED TIMBER也是可以用来做菜床的,而且因为TREADED过不容易腐烂,比UNTREATED的木料更好。

无奈的就是MASTER的那款木头太贵,如果我想做一个长2米4,宽1米2,高25厘米的菜床的话,需要买12块木料,要70多刀。

不知道哪里有更便宜点的。

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发表于 2013-7-19 12:57 |显示全部楼层
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又一个DIY能人

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如果用砖头垒,也不便宜

发表于 2013-7-19 13:45 |显示全部楼层
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还是俺RP好,第一个撒浮云

发表于 2013-7-19 13:45 |显示全部楼层
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懒懒lanlan 发表于 2013-7-19 12:09
如果用砖头垒,也不便宜

找2手砖头?
俺要败种子阿败种子
热切期盼走过路过滴TX踊跃给俺加分分阿加分分,千万别手软

发表于 2013-7-19 13:48 |显示全部楼层
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大海之韵 发表于 2013-7-19 12:45
找2手砖头?

首先二手砖头不是这么容易找到
再者多半要自己搬砖,没有卡车的话,一般车一次也就能搬个五六十块
搭个菜床起码得一百多块

新砖头差不多就是1刀一块
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我建了一个菜床就是用这个木头。

发表于 2013-7-19 13:54 |显示全部楼层
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懒懒lanlan 发表于 2013-7-19 12:48
首先二手砖头不是这么容易找到
再者多半要自己搬砖,没有卡车的话,一般车一次也就能搬个五六十块
搭个菜 ...


可能还8够汽油费。
俺要败种子阿败种子
热切期盼走过路过滴TX踊跃给俺加分分阿加分分,千万别手软

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童鞋们都是能人啊
俺老公真心笨,8知道上哪找便宜货。

发表于 2013-7-19 13:57 |显示全部楼层
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俺又指示他过来看贴咯
希望能。。。

发表于 2013-7-19 13:59 |显示全部楼层
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懒懒lanlan 发表于 2013-7-19 12:09
如果用砖头垒,也不便宜

你家的便宜!
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懒懒lanlan 发表于 2013-7-19 12:48
首先二手砖头不是这么容易找到
再者多半要自己搬砖,没有卡车的话,一般车一次也就能搬个五六十块
搭个菜 ...

哈哈哈分享亲身经历啊

发表于 2013-7-19 14:03 |显示全部楼层
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jt 发表于 2013-7-19 12:59
你家的便宜!

上次积分换的那批很值
不过这样的机会不是天天有啊,我又得买300块呢
最大的问题是怎么把砖头搬到后山去

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同志们,刚接到通知,我找到工作啦哈哈哈哈~~下周一上班~~

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tommyinnz 发表于 2013-7-19 13:06
同志们,刚接到通知,我找到工作啦哈哈哈哈~~下周一上班~~

恭喜恭喜
还记得年少时的梦吗

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tommyinnz 发表于 2013-7-19 13:06
同志们,刚接到通知,我找到工作啦哈哈哈哈~~下周一上班~~

太好了。恭喜恭喜!
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懒懒lanlan 发表于 2013-7-19 13:03
上次积分换的那批很值
不过这样的机会不是天天有啊,我又得买300块呢
最大的问题是怎么把砖头搬到后山去 ...

用积分买劳力!

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tommyinnz 发表于 2013-7-19 13:06
同志们,刚接到通知,我找到工作啦哈哈哈哈~~下周一上班~~

恭喜恭喜。

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jt 发表于 2013-7-19 13:18
用积分买劳力!

亲。。。积分没这么万能吧。。。
再说,你没看见我又降级啦。。。这点积分啥也不够好不好

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懒懒lanlan 发表于 2013-7-19 13:27
亲。。。积分没这么万能吧。。。
再说,你没看见我又降级啦。。。这点积分啥也不够好不好 ...

亲,积分绝对有用啦,我刚买一包菜籽,马上又要扣300分,我容易嘛我!
好不容易发帖赚点分分,一下子又要没了~~

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tommyinnz 发表于 2013-7-19 13:06
同志们,刚接到通知,我找到工作啦哈哈哈哈~~下周一上班~~

恭喜!!!
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tommyinnz 发表于 2013-7-19 13:06
同志们,刚接到通知,我找到工作啦哈哈哈哈~~下周一上班~~

哈哈,你买了我的菜籽财运就来了,恭喜恭喜!

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tommyinnz 发表于 2013-7-19 13:06
同志们,刚接到通知,我找到工作啦哈哈哈哈~~下周一上班~~

GX,GX好消息
努力种菜,多挣分!

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tommyinnz 发表于 2013-7-19 13:33
亲,积分绝对有用啦,我刚买一包菜籽,马上又要扣300分,我容易嘛我!
好不容易发帖赚点分分,一下子又要 ...

同意,我是努力挣分,给LG换油票,换自己感兴趣的种子,苗,觉得不够用啊
努力种菜,多挣分!

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我也想建菜床,在bunning有些untreated pine,是不是就是未经处理的原木啊?

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今天买到现成的菜床啦,就是用ACQ TREATED TIMBER做的,详情请见: http://www.oursteps.com.au/bbs/f ... d=754061&extra=
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都是人才啊?
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学习

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俺就是用这个木头建菜床,最经济实惠了。

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