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[史海钩沉] Royal Navy Officers in 19th Century United Kingdom. [复制链接]

发表于 2017-7-1 12:33 |显示全部楼层
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在这本书Persuasion的开头,租豪宅Kellynch的是Admiral Croft(上将)。里面的人物有Admiral Croft, Captain Frederick Wentworth(上校)等。

下面这篇文章列举了19世纪英国皇家海军的军衔以及他们的收入。
1. 最高级别Admiral的年收入从1,095英镑到2,190英镑不等,加上table money,可以达到4,000英镑以上。这个收入相当于Pride and Prejudice里Mr. Bingley的收入了,或者说Mr. Bingley的收入相当于海军上将的收入。当然Mr. Darcy就更有钱了,年收入10,000英镑。Admiral Croft非常有钱,所以能租得起豪宅。
2. 如果从common sailor做起,他可以升为warrant officer,但是几乎无望升为commisioned one。
3. 升职是个非常慢的过程,Sir Thomas Lyne1880s从boy做起,1931年才升为Rear Admiral。


The Value of Money – Pay in the Royal Navy in the Late 19th Century
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A challenge that confronts all readers and writers of historic fiction is that at some stage money and its value, compared with that of today, will raise its head. We know that the purchasing power of money in the past was a multiple of what currency of the same face-value would worth today. For long periods in history – and here I’m talking primarily of the United Kingdom, though the same was true to some extent elsewhere – inflation was low and wages and prices relatively stable. In Britain the really spectacular drop in the purchasing power of the currency unit – the Pound – has only occurred over the last half century.  

A Pound Sterling of 1964 - 20 Shillings, worth having!

I can give a personal example: in 1964, during my first long vacation from university, I took a job as a barman in a London public house. I got my accommodation and meals free (and the latter were excellent because I ate in the attached restaurant) but above that my pre-tax pay for a 66–hour week was £7.50. This weekly figure should be compared with the £ 5.13 per hour legal minimum wage for an 18-year old, in Britain today.  I might add that I did not feel poorly remunerated. I allowed myself £1.50 a week for books, movies, theatre, Underground fares for museum and gallery visits and meals in “caffs” on my day and a half off. I saved the remainder for travelling in Europe at the end of my eight weeks in the bar.  

If the problem of assessing the value of money as recently as the 1960s is a problem, then it is greater still the further one goes back in time. What, for example, would a pound or a dollar have bought in 1900, 1850 or 1800? In Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice Mrs. Bennet describes  Mr. Bingley as “A single man of large fortune; four or five thousand a year. What a fine thing for our girls!” But how rich in fact was Bingley and what would he be worth today?

A useful insight is gained if one can compare rates of pay for professions then with their practitioners today. One assumes that e.g. a doctor in Victorian times would have an expectation of a roughly similar standard of contemporary “middle-class living” as a doctor today, making allowances for differences in housing, transportation etc. etc. It was for this reason that I was recently interested to come across a very comprehensive summary of rates of pay in the Royal Navy in the mid-1890s. It is especially valuable in that the same rank-structure is almost unchanged between that time and the present, even though titles may differ. The above figures (and illustrations) are drawn from an 1895 publication ”The Story of the Sea” edited by “Q” (the eminent critic Sir Arthur Quiller-Couch) and with contributions from well-known political and other luminaries of the period.

At the top of the hierarchy came the Admirals, ranging from £1095 per annum for a Rear Admiral to £2190 for an Admiral of the Fleet.  Extra allowances to cover expenses such as “table money”, an allowance in lieu of a servant, etc. could add significantly to this – in some cases even doubling the basic salary.

but pay for the lower deck was poor in the extreme
Naval Captains – comparable in rank to Lieutenant Colonels in the Army – did not do so well, ranging from £410 to £602, depending on seniority. “Extras” could range from £91 to 125.

Commanders, equivalent to Army Majors, earned £365 per annum and Lieutenants with seniority could reach the dizzy height of £225.  

Midshipmen received only £13/18/9 (Thirteen pounds, eighteen  shillings and ninepence – at this level the pence started to get important). Cadets fared even worse - £18/5/0 per year.

Engineering officers were still not fully accepted as proper officers (or indeed as Gentlemen) in the 1890s and this was reflected in pay scales. An “Engineer” – note lack of formal title such as Lieutenant  – was on a range of £273 to £219, a “Chief Engineer” up to £401 and at the pinnacle of seniority and responsibility the Navy’s “Chief Inspector of Machinery” would receive £638. The poor remuneration for engineers at the higher levels is all the more surprising since the Navy was at this time in the midst of unprecedented technical innovation. Stories were not uncommon of engineers being the subject of cruel prejudice, many being not allowed to forget their social status - technology being regarded by many in Britain then - and sometimes by some even today - as not a fit occupation for a gentleman.

Medical officers were graded in order of seniority as Surgeon (£209 to282 per annum), Staff Surgeon (£383 to 438) and Fleet Surgeon (£492 to £602). At the top of the medical organisation the “Inspector General of Hospitals and Fleets” had a salary of £1003, generally similar to a Rear Admiral’s. One assumes that these salaries were roughly similar to what these professionals would expect in civilian life as otherwise they would have not chosen service in the Navy.

Warrant Officers – Gunners, Boatswain and Carpenters – had pay ranging from £100 to £ 164, dependent on seniority.

The big drop in pay came below this level.  A Chief Petty Officer – in many ways the backbone of the service and on whom much of the efficiency of a ship would depend –  could earn up to £57 maximum and a First-Class Petty Officer’s range was £39/10/10 to £44/2/1 – the shillings and pence were worth having.

Tough, supremely professional and self-reliant - but miserably paid

On the bridge - note the seaman's bare feet

Further down the scale the Ordinary Seaman’s pay was £22/16/3 per year, but would advance to £28/17/11 if he were rated “Able”.

A “Boy” – a formal rank at which young men were recruited – started at just over £9 per annum and could increase by another £1 as seniority was gained.

And down in the bowels of the ship, in the hot and steaming hell of the engine boiler rooms, a Chief Artificer was worth up to £136, an Artificer £95 to 118 and the Stokers, who had perhaps the worst job in the entire ship, were royally remunerated with £30 to 36 per year.

What is particularly noticeable is the ratio of pay between highest and lowest, with the Admiral of the Fleet receiving , even before allowances, some 96 times as much as an Ordinary Seaman.

In the book referred to the final sentences of the chapter on naval pay are worth quoting in full as they provide a fascinating insight into the social attitudes of the period:

“There is this difference between the two services (Army and Navy), and the reader must form his own opinion of the wisdom that allows this difference to exist: though it cannot be said of the British Army, as it was said of the French Army under the great Napoleon that a possible marshal’s baton was in every soldier’s knapsack, yet it is possible for a man to enlist as a common soldier and attain respectable commissioned rank, especially if his breeding and manners be gentle. In the English navy, on the other hand, if a man enters the service as a common sailor, he may indeed rise to be a warrant officer, but can never hope to tread the quarterdeck as a commissioned one.”

It is pleasing to note that within 20 years of these words being written the apparently impossible occurred. Sir William Robertson (1860-1933, originally a house-servant,  entered the army as a private soldier but rose to be a Field Marshal  and was Chief of the Imperial General Staff – the professional head of the army – in World War 1.

The process was slower in the Royal Navy. Sir Thomas Lyne, (1870- 1955) was the first man to rise from the lower deck to flag rank, joining as a “Boy” (at £9/2/6 per year!) in the 1880s and being promoted to Rear Admiral in 1931.

The entire subject of pay, valuation of work, value of money remains fascinating one and the insights may be of value to anybody reading or writing about Victorian Britain.

And one fact does stand out – even allowing for inflation in the eight decades between Pride and Prejudice and the above pay scales, Mr. Bingley would indeed have been a fine thing for Mrs. Bennet’s daughters!

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发表于 2017-7-1 12:34 |显示全部楼层
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_officer_rank_insignia

中文:元帅,上将,中将,少将,准将,上校,中校,少校,上尉,中(少)尉。。。

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看袖章,William王子是什么军衔?


Philip亲王什么军衔?

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发表于 2017-7-23 12:55 |显示全部楼层
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hsy12 发表于 2017-7-1 11:52
看袖章,William王子是什么军衔?

威廉是少尉,亲王是上将。
不过,亲王的应该是荣誉衔吧?

发表于 2017-7-23 14:26 |显示全部楼层
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就好 发表于 2017-7-23 11:55
威廉是少尉,亲王是上将。
不过,亲王的应该是荣誉衔吧?

Having seen active service in the Royal Navy during the Second World War, the Duke of Edinburgh is one of three members of the Royal family who were wearing campaign medals earned in action.

His uniform is the dress uniform of an Admiral of the Fleet, a rank he has held since 1953. He was was appointed Lord High Admiral in 2011, on the occasion of his 90th birthday. He holds 38 other military positions throughout the Commonwealth.

他二战时在皇家海军服役哦。

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hsy12 发表于 2017-7-23 13:26
Having seen active service in the Royal Navy during the Second World War, the Duke of Edinburgh is ...

哦,谢谢你资料,看来英国皇室重视海军还真有不少干货。
以前看《贺恩不洛尔》系列片,就觉得大英帝国的海军还真是靠实干干出来的。
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就好 发表于 2017-7-23 13:32
哦,谢谢你资料,看来英国皇室重视海军还真有不少干货。
以前看《贺恩不洛尔》系列片,就觉得大英帝国的 ...

他是不是也一步一步升上来的?

发表于 2017-7-23 14:53 |显示全部楼层
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hsy12 发表于 2017-7-23 13:46
他是不是也一步一步升上来的?

从见习生开始。第一部是很多年前看的,主角入海军时才14岁。

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